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Miss Snapdragon, Chicago/Dallas Age and Occupation: 32,Associate Producer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 33, Lighting Designer Blogging Since: November 14, 2008 Engagement Date: January 1, 2011 Wedding Date: March 2012 Venue: Marie Gabrielle About Me: Voracious reader of short stories, Russian literature, National Geographic and Cosmo. I'm a GENIUS at spicing up Weight Watchers recipes and a pathological cheater at board games. I run a slow marathon, but my feet are learning to move faster. Mornings aren't my thing, but I can night owl with the best of them. Don't tempt me with your Cherry Cokes---I'm trying to quit. Tomorrow. Or never.
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The soda part is a joke. Sort of. I mean, there are two Mexi-Cokes chilling to the perfect temperature in my refrigerator now—ice flecks, a few drops of condensation on the glass, a frosty bottle cap. So I guess Bossyboots’ and my foundation might be slightly made of soda.

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Nevertheless, I was at my regular book club dinner for half-price wine glass night, and a few of us got into a conversation about how weddings often force couples into evaluating the role religion—faith—spirituality will all play in their life. In addition to money, children, and about eight-hundred-thousand other things (!)

You all know that Bossyboots and I are investigating a Catholic or Catholic-esque ceremony. In preparation, we’ve been attending mass, but we are also mixing things up by attending a Protestant church that I like. I feel like a bit of a mish mosh because at my core, I am spiritual—but I wouldn’t say I have a faith (to quote one of my book club buddies). I definitely don’t have a religion.

Many of the major religions have a party line against gay rights (trust me, I understand that not all believers subscribe to that party line)—I’m really just super uncomfortable aligning myself with a religion that breaks with one of my core beliefs.

Attending church each week and listening to lessons that are actually helpful to everyday life has been a good and fruitful thing—I can’t say I’m all in though (see “party line” above). I don’t really think that there’s a parallel dimension that you can only get to if you believe all the “right” things (again, while dehumanizing entire groups of people, per a great many of the world’s major religions). I am being honest here, don’t yell at me.

Now Bossyboots. He does have a religion and a faith to mix with his spiritual life, and he really does believe in all those things (as do millions and millions of others!). Catholicism is extremely important to him. Though let me be clear—he is hands down a subscriber to gay rights in every iota of the word (let’s not get confused on that point!).

How to reconcile all of this?

To be honest, we’re still working on it. Our core values match (they better, if we plan to be getting all married up in here!). We both have a strong spiritual side—Bossyboots is just “Spiritual Plus a Side of Religion Minus the Party Line.” Are we going to continue going to Catholic and Protestant churches? I think so. We’ve been getting a lot out of it, and it is a significant part of both of our individual heritages. One of my most treasured memories is my dad saying a Biblical blessing over all of us kids every night before we went to sleep. We’re planning to bring our children to church, too—as long as the church we attend also matches the ethics we want to pass down. This is a work in progress.

What kind of spiritual page are you and your partner on? Do you mainly keep to yourselves when it comes to faith, or do you two join forces?

Sidebar: This Coke I’m drinking is the bee’s knees. For real, y’all.

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18 Responses to “A Foundation Made of Spirit. And Soda.”

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totheislnds
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totheislnds (message)  5,412 posts, Bee Keeper

Its good to explore your faith, my husband is very strong in his faith and is catholic - i grew up catholic but i struggle more with it than he does. bottom line, we both have the same morals and values. Though i struggle with my ‘religion’ i really loved that my parents brought me up in the catholic church, i love the tradition and repetition of it - i really think its good to give kids a spiritual base, it builds character :)

 
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bRooklynRocks
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bRooklynRocks (message)  3,769 posts, Honey bee

I hope I don’t get flack for this, but I don’t believe in people being unevenly yoked. I am no religious. Neither is my husband and it works out for us. We were raised in different religions and I have no interest in joining his religion neither does he have any interest in joining mine (we both stopped practicing eons ago).

 
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Ryna (message)  4,207 posts, Honey bee

My FI and I are on the same page when it comes to religion. It’s also something that the majority of people wouldn’t agree with. At. ALL. (including our parents, but that’s a whole ‘nother story.)
If we were asked to pick a religion, it would be “Jedi” (which IS an actual recognized religion in the U.K. according to some census reports… Go figure.)
We agree there is a good and an evil, light and dark. As to who’s who in whoville…. well, that’s still up for debate. ;)

 
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Mrs. Hyena (message)  1,882 posts, Buzzing bee

For us, it was very important to me that we be able to go to church together. I didn’t want to be one of those families where the kids go to church with mom one week and dad the next. We were raised in differing Christian denominations, but when it came down to discussing what we believed and what we liked about our current churches, we were entirely on the same page, and neither of us was a big fan of the churches we had (separately) attended. We just needed to find what was right for us as a couple.

 
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mightywombat (message)  3,345 posts, Sugar bee

I really appreciated the honesty in this post, and admire your commitment to speaking out against discrimination wherever you find it.

One possibility is asking around to find a priest/parish that is more in line with your own values. I have some VERY devout Catholic friends who are totally, 100% pro-marriage equality. While their priest doesn’t blatantly challenge the Church’s line on homosexuality from the pulpit, neither does he preach it or actively support it.

 
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Miss Snapdragon (message)  717 posts, Busy bee

@bRooklynRocks: No flack here, ma’am! I’m not one to criticize anyone for their beliefs or the way they live. You do raise a great question - what does unequally yoked mean to different people? Is it core values? Is it organized religion? Money differences? There are so many ways to be poorly yoked - it’s interesting to me to see the many ways partners either match up or are completely different from each other.

 
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red_seattle
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red_seattle (message)  429 posts, Helper bee

Just thought I’d mention that there are gay-friendly Catholic churches out there– at least one that is. I don’t know that they are totally… I suppose you could call it being in communion with the Vatican… but, they are Roman Catholic in every way except that they are gay-friendly. Here’s the one that I know of: http://www.standrewchurch.com/

 
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Miss Pony (message)  4,176 posts, Honey bee

Mr P was raised much differently (in terms of religion) than I was, but we both settled in similar places as adults, although I consider myself more curious in learning about all faiths. We consider our faiths to be a work in progress and try not to force our views on the other (or anyone else) and hopefully that will continue even after we have kids.

 
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Miss Ladyfingers (message)  1,119 posts, Bumble bee

Mr LF and I were both raised in Italian Catholic households by parents who had us baptised and sent us to Sunday school for a few years where we had our first confession and first communion, but otherwise didn’t force any beliefs on us. Neither of us went much farther in Catholicism, and we both now consider ourselves spiritual and believe in something that we call God. I admire your stance on this and I think it’s a really worthwhile topic!

 
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Mrs. Tartlet
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Mrs. Tartlet (message)  3,207 posts, Sugar bee

Great and thought-provoking post! Mr. Tartlet and I are on the same page with being spiritual, but not tied to any particular religion. I’m not sure what we’ll do if/when we have children, though…

 
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kristophine (message)  302 posts, Helper bee

My fiance and I are both pretty hard-line agnostic/athiest, so it works.

Periodically I start thinking about God. (I was a pretty religious teenager–pagan, like my mom and sister–but I lost my faith in college.) I end up coming back to what I see as the unresolvable problem of bad things happening to good people, and it just chokes me. I can’t swallow religion because of it. I’m familiar with a few theological arguments about it, but an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent God is something I don’t believe in and probably never will again.

My fiance is on a somewhat similar page. If pressed he’ll suggest that God is certainly possible but not demonstrable.

Our ceremony is going to be fun. I want totally secular language, and both of our families have strong religious components. My family knows I’m queer, but only some sections of his family know. I feel like it would be SUPER awkward to just bring it up out of nowhere. If somebody gives us crap about our marriage equality reading(s), then I’ll get into it with them, but other than that… yeah.

As a queer, I’ve never felt welcome in most major religions. Individual people and churches are great and inclusive, but that doesn’t change the Bible. (If I were Christian, I would presumably be a literalist. It’s my nature–I believe things either very strongly.)

 
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Chocolatte (message)  198 posts, Blushing bee

the mr. and i are getting married in our catholic church, and having his gay brother do our second reading. i have a number of gay friends and believe as tax paying, livingm breathing citizen we should all have the same rights. just because you attend doesn’t mean that you have to agree 100%. you are right, as long as you 2 are on the same page - that’s all that matters!

 
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bebefly (message)  1,348 posts, Bumble bee

Unitarian Universalism. Check it out.

 
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Miss Snapdragon (message)  717 posts, Busy bee

@bebefly: Yes. I know about such things - not for me! This is more about how different people approach spirit/faith as a couple.

 
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Miss Honey (message)  1,072 posts, Bumble bee

Love this post and I 100% identify with being spiritual without having a religion. Amen, Snappy.

 
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Ms. Wolf
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Ms. Wolf (message)  127 posts, Blushing bee

We’re not exactly on the same page religion wise as he’s atheist and I’m Wiccan, but it has raised some good conversation starters about how kids will be raised, what holidays to celebrate, etc. I think it’s good to talk about those things ahead of time, even if you are the same religion since everyone has their own ways of looking at things. Great post Snapdragon!

 
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@kristophine:

You sound a lot like my fiance and I. I personally do not think that religion and morals necessarily coincide (my mom is a devout Catholic and I’m an athiest, I don’t drink or gamble and am tolerant of all religions and peoples, she loves vegas and drinking and won’t come to my wedding or any other relatives if it isn’t Catholic because it’s “not right” and if we don’t raise our kids Catholic she won’t have any part in our lives). Obviously religion works for lots of people, but it doesn’t for my fiance or I. Unfortunately I’m having a Catholic wedding so my family attends (120 or 150 guests are my family), but I’m just taking it as tradition and putting as much of “us” into the planning as I can :) The important thing is that my fiance and I are for sure on the same page!

 
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Miss Cucumber Sandwich (message)  572 posts, Busy bee

Great post! I think faith was great until religion came along and mucked it all up. Mr. Cuke Sammie and I are on the same page about faith but sometimes differ on how best to practice/study that faith. When we have kids though all bets are off.

 

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Miss Snapdragon, Chicago/Dallas Age and Occupation: 32,Associate Producer Fiance's Age and Occupation: 33, Lighting Designer Blogging Since: November 14, 2008 Engagement Date: January 1, 2011 Wedding Date: March 2012 Venue: Marie Gabrielle About Me: Voracious reader of short stories, Russian literature, National Geographic and Cosmo. I'm a GENIUS at spicing up Weight Watchers recipes and a pathological cheater at board games. I run a slow marathon, but my feet are learning to move faster. Mornings aren't my thing, but I can night owl with the best of them. Don't tempt me with your Cherry Cokes---I'm trying to quit. Tomorrow. Or never.

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