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Miss Porcupine, NYC/Lancaster, PA Age and Occupation: 26, Sales Coordinator/Publishing Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Assistant Manager/Sales Engagement Date: August 8, 2010 Wedding Date: March 2012 Venue: Riverdale Manor About Me: I'm a born and bred New Yorker with a love/hate relationship for the city I have always called home. Although I may seem quiet from afar, I have a loud personality once you get to know me. I am a book nerd at heart, but love a night out in the city with good friends. I have a serious addiction to all things cheese, chocolate, cardigans, Mexican food, and reality TV. The future hubs and I met in college, settled in New York, and decided to go with a rustic/peacock infused wedding in Lancaster, PA, right near his hometown. Come the big day, we will be together 5 years, and we're looking forward to making it official!
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Everyone says that getting married is all about “starting your life together.” Well, truthfully, we started our life together three years ago when we moved in together. So, when we exchange those rings and say “I Do,” I feel like there is something I need to embark on in order to “begin.”

Mr. Porcupine and I have been living together for over three years in New York, and I grew up here. This has been the only home I’ve ever known, except for my college days which took place on the suburbs of New York. Even though we both want(ed) to live here, we are also kind of sick of it. As ridiculous as this may sound, I feel stuck in NYC. I know, I know—this must sound crazy/pompous/idiotic. Some people would do just about anything to live in this iconic city. But, like any place in the world, there are drawbacks. Being close to Broadway, the restaurants, the hustle and bustle, the parks, the people of every culture, and the “New York charm” come with negatives.

For one, I am so tired of being broke.

Rent is high for a small amount of square feet, and owning here is out of the question for us because of the high price of real estate and property taxes. I just don’t want to pay (nor can we right now) 290k for 900 square feet and one bedroom (mind you that is not the cost of a PRIME neighborhood), knowing that you can get so much more for your money elsewhere. I am tired of overpriced groceries. I am done with rude people. People can be unbearably pushy and nasty on a daily basis. I will raise my hand and admit that I am like this A LOT, but 26 years of New York will do that to you.

Mr. Porcupine works in a sales job where he is face-to-face with grumpy New Yorkers every single day. It weighs on you when people are “all up in your grill” all day long blabbering nonsense. The subways are filthy. I don’t care if they run 24/7-they run poorly, look and smell disgusting, and go up in price constantly for sub-par service improvements. I recently sold my car because car insurance is astronomical here. The rat race gets down right sickening. Salaries are not up-to-par with the cost of living in this city (unless you are in a high paying field or more situated in your career) and jobs—like anywhere right now—are scarce and highly competitive.

I know, I know—so whiny. So, why don’t you just go, you ask? The problem with leaving is that we don’t know even know WHERE to go. Mr. Porcupine and I know that we are exponentially lucky to both be working full-time jobs with full benefits in this economy. We do NOT take that for granted. As a couple we went through spurts of unemployment, both before living together and while living together. The worst of it was when Mr. Porcupine was out of work for 9 months during our FIRST year living together during the height of the recession. We weren’t engaged, and we were only together a little over a year. Times were not good. But, in the end, it made us stronger. Honestly, I am sure that situation would have broken a lot of couples. If we can get through that at the beginning of our relationship, I am pretty sure we can get through a lot more.

We don’t currently have the type of jobs that will transfer us to a new state. Mr. Porcupine wants to go to grad school and is leaning toward a school in the city. I’ve lived here so long that I am accustomed to having everything at my fingertips. How would I handle the culture shock of living elsewhere? Even the suburbs of New York gave me MAJOR culture shock when I went away to college. On top of all this, all of my family and all of our friends are here. Starting a brand new social circle is damn scary, even if you have each other.

We originally figured we’d live here until we are ready to start a family (not for about five years, sorry future grandparents!), but I am ready for more space, grass, and nicer people NOW. I know that like Miss Ladyfingers I am getting ahead of myself, but I can’t help it. (Maybe it’s a bee ailment?) We’ve lived together for so long, that I don’t feel like we are “beginning” our life after the big day. We’ll just be going back to our apartment. Back to the same grumpy city. Back to the same routine.

Am I being crazy? (Probably.) There is just something so anti-climatic about getting married and nothing changing. I know this is true for a lot of people. I also know that of all situations to be stuck-in, this one is pretty good. But, I can’t help being worn thin by New York and wanting a change after we’re pronounced Mr. and Mrs.

Anyone else out there stuck?

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MySunshine

Yeah…. We bought a house in a neighborhood near my grandparents and uncle in a state where we have great jobs… The only problem is the more we prepare for the wedding the more I realize that my family does not act like family and his does… I wish we could be closer to his family - but they live in a hard-hit-by-economic-tough-times area and we would NEVER find as nice of jobs and we *just* bought our house so we are stuck for a while :(

Oh wells!

 
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almostmrsc
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almostmrsc (message)  232 posts, Helper bee

I felt the same way about living & working in Boston. I just felt stuck there and I wasn’t happy. So when it came time to move in with FH, I chose to move back home where he lived (about 90 miles) from Boston and commute to work. Fortunately, I had a great boss that was willing to let me work in the office a few days and work from home the others.

Sadly the only way to get more space is to move out the city and commute in. ;(

 
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Mrs. Hermit Crab (message)  3,566 posts, Sugar bee

Oh, P! But now you have a Bee network here! Let’s hang out! Also, maybe when you guys get back, you can do some day-cationing to kind of reinvent the city for yourselves - I live by Time Out New York - there are so many fun and once-in-a-while opportunities in there that can’t be beat. Go out to the Korean spa, take in a show and dinner - do something touristy that you might otherwise not dream of doing - and again, let’s hang out! xoxo

 
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arielle (message)  449 posts, Helper bee

Completely understand. I moved in with my fiancé to his hometown because he purchased a home. I’m from an area of 400,000 and his town is 2,000. It is quite different. I certainly feel stuck here & miserable!

 
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maycoffin (message)  2 posts, Wannabee

Wow. It’s like I wrote this. I’ve been in NY for 13 years now and I love it. But I hate it. And I want a yard and a home and a space where I can sew and bake and breathe.

But my fiance has a job he loves and I have a job I like but feels like it’s winding down. The thing for me is that I have been here so long that all my friends are here.

Not to mention I have no idea where to go either. Obviously Spain and Denmark but fiance is unsure about overseas… At some point I think you just have to do it. This is a great city but it leaves very little space to feel free. If you are both in a transitional state, I would start applying to schools and jobs all over and just see what happens.

Worst comes to worst you can always come home :) New York will still be standing.

Right now I’m just trying to appreciate the beautiful things that I find here knowing that one day they will be the exact things I miss. The places I come back and visit and take my kids to. Oh and get out of town a bit. Go apple picking, carve a pumpkin.

I’ve rambled. My point was, I know how you feel.

 
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Neenbean

Amen sister! We both have lived right outside of NYC and
have been commuting all through college and since then - I am SO over it. Sorry to say it but each day I hate this city more and more. I can totally feel you on being ’stuck’- my husband has at least 2 more years before he finishes his Phd and I work in an industry where you can pretty much only work in a city…. Dreaming of the days when we can finally move to he suburbs and start a family!

 
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JenniferMm (message)  97 posts, Worker bee

Miss Porcupine-I know (almost) EXACTLY how you feel. I also grew up there but my path took me to college in PA (in the end probably pretty similar). I moved back after college and felt terrible about everything. The prices, the inability to find a job. FI and I were just friends then and I took a chance and left him (and family, friends, everything else I knew) to try out Charlotte, NC. I was happy, SO HAPPY, in NC. FI and I even got together and started a LDR. Long story short economy crumbled, I scrambled to figure out what to do, went back to school and stayed in the south with a move to GA for school. I was fortunate to get a (good) job/internship in NYC for the summer. I got to live with FI for three whole months. The world was going to be sunshine and roses right? Wrong. I was miserable. I loved living with FI but HATED NYC. Yes, so many good things about it but everything you said-rude people, high prices, crap subway, they drain you. And it reminded me that I cannot live there. What my FI pays in rent for a crappy place is 3x what I pay for an apt in Atlanta that has granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. I love the south (or at least not living in the tri-state region) and realized I can never move back. FI is burnt out and ready for a change too. He wants to “leave the city while he still loves it.” I took a long way around the main point of this: I get it. People may think you’re crazy but most of them didn’t grow up there. There is no right or wrong answer if you guys should try a new area in the future-some people end up loving it some need to move back. You guys are still young where even if you don’t have an exact plan, you have each other. And in the end you’ll figure out a plan that works for you.

 
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KatieJean
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KatieJean (message)  371 posts, Helper bee

I hear you… but on a lesser level. We live with my parents and I just want to be out on our own! Can’t afford a house with the wedding budget… But part of me is dreading going ‘home’ after our wedding… to the ‘rents basement. I love them and am so grateful they are allowing us to live there rent free… but it feels like marriage is so… ADULT and living in my parents house is so… JUVENILE.

That’s my stuck!

 
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matthewscraftybride (message)  26 posts, Newbee

To a lesser extent in Albany, NY, it’s the same…but no subway system at all so we have to have our cars or we can’t get to work….we work so we can pay for our crappy, one-bedroom apartment with walls so paper-thin that it shakes when the guy upstairs so much as walks from one room to the other….BUT….we’re starting a moving fund with any money we get from the wedding and are planning to move to Houston this June! You can get so much more for your money there (plus there’s no cold weather/huge snowstorms). We cannot WAIT to get out

 
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call_me_ktb (message)  39 posts, Newbee

ms. porcupine, you & i have a lot in common. my fi & both grew up in Queens. he went to college in the city & i went down to Baltimore for 4 years (*not* a real city in the way we think of the word and so i couldn’t WAIT to get back to NYC. i was so homesick). each of us studied abroad in different places & always missed new york. now we live together in the outer boroughs (cheaper, if only a little!) i really do love so much about it but every once in a while he & i look at each other like wow, what are we doing? we could pay a mortgage for a house in other states easily considering our bills now. i always say it’s a blessing & a curse having grown up in NYC - we know how great it is, i’ll always call it home and i complain when i’m gone from it. and yet, the cost of living and sacrifices NYers are willing to endure are serious. i know i won’t raise children in the city - maybe not even in Queens.. but for now, here we are. and i’m a New Yorker through & through, like it or not.

good luck to you!

 
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Miss Funnel Cake (message)  690 posts, Busy bee

Aw, I kinda get what you mean. I’m not exactly sure what will change when we get back… we are coming back to our apartment as well. But I’m kind of excited for post-wedding thinking of travel plans and things.

Still… I know myself and know I will probably perusing the flat search sites again much to Mr. Funnel Cake’s chagrin!

 
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I am also a born and bred New Yorker, and I had the EXACT.SAME.THING. happen to me when I was about 26. I had been with my (long term high school) boyfriend about eight years at that point, and we were living about a mile away from my parents and about three miles away from his. I got started in a career that is awesome for benefits and vacation, and his industry is pretty much ONLY in New York. I felt so trapped and awful, especially because I felt like everyone else I knew was going to move “back to where they came from” in just a matter of years. The glimmer of hope I can offer you is: It passes. Because, you’re right, EVERYTHING is here, and if you grew up with it (and didn’t go too far from it from college) it’s a HUGE change. I realized (once I turned 27) that being young and living in New York is awesome (even if it is expensive as hell!). Really consider your alternatives if they make sense to you. Another city on the East Coast didn’t appeal to us because it seemed unnecessary to pack up and move for a minor change. We didn’t want to move across the country because we didn’t want to have to develop an entirely new social network. Moving to the ‘burbs would have cost us more in commuting than it was going to save us. Really, though, evaluate and come up with a plan that’s great for you. And take Mrs. Hermit Crab’s advice — realizing what you love about NYC helps remind you why you bother.

 
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Totally get this! Me and my man are talking about moving since we’re stuck in and hate Ohio. But I just got a new job 6 months ago (which i loathe) and his field is very out of demand =(

 
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Somethingsoright (message)  24 posts, Newbee

100% understand you. We have been planning on leaving the city months after the wedding, but a new job for him - while awesome - means we’re here for at least another year. The advice I’m giving myself is to take it day by day - for every crappy thing that happens in NYC there’s usually a moment of beauty or laughter to balance it out, you just need to let those little moments affect you as much as the bad ones do. Also, to remember that we’re young - and I’ve got a few years on you! - and that one more year is hardly a life sentence. (Three, four, five more years wouldn’t be either - though the thought of five more years almost gives me hives!) Finally, I don’t know if you’re an animal person, but getting a dog has been one of the hardest things I’ve done in the city, but also one of the most rewarding. Having to go to a park every day to meet her needs means I get outdoor time every day, it’s helped me reconnect to the nature I’ve been missing in the subway, in my tiny apartment, in my windowless box of an office. Good luck to you!!

 
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Miss Doe (message)  540 posts, Busy bee

You’re not crazy! I totally understand what you are saying. I have never been to NY….for people who haven’t been either I think we have somewhat of a fairy tale idea of what it is like…but people who are there every day get the REAL picture. Just like with any place, really. Hang in there, Porcupine! :)

 
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Miss Porcupine (message)  429 posts, Helper bee

@MySunshine: Hopefully the economy can patch up stat so that you guys can get to where you want to be!
@almostmrsc: Love Boston (it’s one of the places I consider moving to haha), but I guess it goes for any place. You get sick of it.
@Mrs. Hermit Crab: Mr. P and I were just talking about this the other day. We have got to do more fun stuff around the city. We’ve just been SO busy lately, and having a case of the brokes. But, then fall comes around and I love this time of year in the city. Once things die down, definitely need to hang out!
@maycoffin: “Love it, but I hate it.” EXACTLY.
@Neenbean: Living in the suburbs for college was such a nice break for me from the commuting. I give you credit for doing it through college (I would have slept through far too many classes!) haha.
@JenniferMm: Ahhh, granite counter tops. I see why you want to stay! I watch HGTV far too much for my own good and have real estate envy. I hope you two find a good middle ground on where to settle down!
@KatieJean: You guys will get there. Enjoy rent free while you can!! :)
@matthewscraftybride: All the best of luck to you two with the move to Houston. I’ve heard great things about it there!
@call_me_ktb: I feel you on not wanting to raise kids here. I always thought I would, because I wanted my kids to be “real New Yorkers” like me, but now I see I might be better off going elsewhere.
@Miss Funnel Cake: We just moved three months ago and I am ready to find a new place! haha. Drives Mr. P crazy as well. :)
@BeeGirl24: I also have those “living here is awesome” moments. Unfortunately, I’ve lost those recently. I hope I can snap out of it like you did! I really do love NY sometimes….
@Jessica: Too funny, because I always joke with my friends that I am picking up and moving to Ohio “where the nice people and trees are!” Goodluck though, hopefully things will fall into place soon for you guys!
@Somethingsoright: I SO want a dog, but the landlord doesn’t allow it. :( Maybe the real next step is finding a pet-friendly building!

 
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toshella (message)  644 posts, Busy bee

I definitely understand, and I’ve only lived where I do now for 3 years! What can I say, I like to move around. It feels weird that we’re going to be married and go back to living in the same old townhouse we’ve been renting for the last 2 years. I’m hoping (since our lease is up two months after the wedding) we can move shortly after, but who knows.
Best of luck getting out!

 
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MrsSl82be (message)  8,095 posts, Bee Keeper

We were lucky that we were close to finding our house when we got married, and I had one more semester left of college before graduation. So, while we came home to the same situation, it didn’t last long. ((HUGS)) I hope you guys can find what you are looking for :)

 
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jmbrick (message)  62 posts, Worker bee

I can feel your pain in regard to being “stuck.” I bought a condo in the height of the market. Needless to say, the market tanked, and my condo is nowhere near worth what I paid for it. So, FI moved in and that’s where we are…for now. We want to move so badly. Actually, to/or closer to NYC so we don’t have such a long commute. But even then, we know it would only be for a year or 2 because we don’t want to raise kids there. We may be stuck for the time being, but we know we won’t always be. The same goes for you!

 
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@ matthewscraftybride: I live in Clifton Park ( outside Albany NY for those bloggers not from NY LOL) and I agree it’s not the best here but my sister just moved back home from Houston, Tx. She hated it! Crime, the hurricanes and no change of seasons was enough to send her packing back to NY.

 
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Miss Porcupine, NYC/Lancaster, PA Age and Occupation: 26, Sales Coordinator/Publishing Fiance's Age and Occupation: 26, Assistant Manager/Sales Engagement Date: August 8, 2010 Wedding Date: March 2012 Venue: Riverdale Manor About Me: I'm a born and bred New Yorker with a love/hate relationship for the city I have always called home. Although I may seem quiet from afar, I have a loud personality once you get to know me. I am a book nerd at heart, but love a night out in the city with good friends. I have a serious addiction to all things cheese, chocolate, cardigans, Mexican food, and reality TV. The future hubs and I met in college, settled in New York, and decided to go with a rustic/peacock infused wedding in Lancaster, PA, right near his hometown. Come the big day, we will be together 5 years, and we're looking forward to making it official!

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