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Mrs. Mole, Los Angeles/Las Vegas Age and Occupation: 29, Test Prep Instructor Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, User Experience Architect Engagement Date: April 2011 Wedding Date: January 2012 Venue: Wynn Las Vegas/Bouchon Bistro About Me: I’m a Wisconsinite-turned-Angeleno who is planning a destination wedding in Las Vegas. I am passionate about education: I spent 23 (!) consecutive years in school, and now I work to help other people get into graduate programs. I love running on the treadmill, buying bath products from Lush, learning new moves in step aerobics, and exploring my neighborhood on foot. I am sometimes snobby about food, but I am rarely snobby about books. I read everything from Geoffrey Chaucer to Iris Murdoch to Chuck Klosterman to Candace Bushnell. My fiance and I are getting married on our third anniversary!
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Thoughts on a Pre-Wedding Wedding

December 10th, 2011 @ 10:50 am by Mrs. Mole

Or, an alternate title: Why Mr. Mole and I Almost Got Married Before Our Wedding

Mr. Mole and I moved to Los Angeles in July. He had found a great job with a higher salary and benefits; in fact, that job was the reason we decided to move in the first place. I, on the other hand, would be unemployed. I had a couple of good leads on some jobs — including an available teaching position in the Los Angeles Unified School District — but nothing concrete.

Good news: I ended up finding a job in my field within a week or two of moving. Bad news: the job offered no benefits. I still took it, and I immediately started the process of finding insurance. Going without some form of medical insurance was not an option for Mr. Mole and me. Want to see one very convincing reason why?

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Arm X-Ray / Photo by Mr. Mole

That’s Mr. Mole’s shattered arm. He also has a metal rod and screws in his leg. He’s been hit twice while riding his bike in city traffic, and he has experienced pretty hefty medical bills each time. Without insurance, he would have been totally broke (and not just somewhat broken). I am now much more careful about crossing the street.

To avoid venturing into TL;DR territory, I just want to say that finding individual insurance coverage in the United States that is comprehensive and affordable is extremely difficult. At the risk of opening up a political debate, I think that’s both unfortunate and unfair.

Faced with my ever growing frustration, Mr. Mole suggested that we file for a domestic partnership so that I could be covered under his PPO plan. In Illinois, domestic partners must live in the same household, not be related, and have “an emotional and economic interdependence.” In addition, they need to have lived together for at least one year and continue to do so for the duration of the benefits coverage. We soon found out, though, that California’s statute is different. In California, domestic partnerships are restricted to a) same-sex couples or b) opposite-sex couples where one partner is 62 years or over. That was a no-go.

Mr. Mole’s parents then suggested that we just go to the courthouse and get married. They explained that no one would have to know, that we could still do our Vegas wedding. They thought this was such a good idea that they assumed that it’s what we would do! (If you go to the courthouse became replaced with When you go to the courthouse.) Honestly, I felt a little funny about it. How weird would it be to elope to the Beverly Hills Courthouse before we ran off to Vegas? Would any of our guests feel off-put if they didn’t get to witness the “real” (legal) deal? How would saying vows to Mr. Mole feel if I had already done so months before?

My internal debate was silenced when I ended up finding some reasonable emergency medical insurance coverage. Mr. Mole and I decided to wait to get married until January, although there were plenty of good reasons why we should have just gone to the courthouse in September.

Have you ever thought about getting legally married before your ceremony? What do you think of the idea of having a “legal” wedding before the “actual” wedding?

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Tuna (message)  31 posts, Newbee

I had the same reservations you had… but my husband and I ended up “getting legally married” 2 and a half years before we got publicly married married! we only did this because my husband is a British citizen and I am American and we had already been long distance for five years. He had just finished school and was looking to get his first career building job, so we decided that in order for him to settle down in the same country as me, we would have to get married, because he wasn’t able to stay in the country otherwise. I was in college, and didn’t want to do the real deal yet, so we did it secretly (only our parents knew) and we didn’t change anything about our relationship. We just viewed it as part of his citizenship/green card process. And when we did the real deal public wedding in front of all of our family and friends– it definitely felt legit and perfect and as emotional as I could imagine it might be whether we had already done our legal part or not :)

 
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brittaful (message)  176 posts, Blushing bee

There’s a chance we’ll need to have a “real” wedding first, with our planned wedding suddenly becoming “fake” for the same reasons. This is exactly (part of) why I hate marriage in general and was reluctant to get married at all. It becomes about a zillion other things that it *shouldn’t* be about, instead of just being something nice because you love each other. I won’t feel any differently about it if we need to have a quick, quiet legal ceremony, and we won’t be telling anyone if we do — not because I care if people feel cheated for not witnessing the real deal, but because if no one knows, we’ll be able to avoid about 3,000 annoying questions that I don’t feel like answering (nor should I have to).

 
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Miss Doily (message)  643 posts, Busy bee

Mr. D and I almost did at one point as well. I have pretty good insurance through the school district and Mr. D had a bad run in with pneumonia a couple of years ago and it tend to randomly flare up in the way of really nasty chest infections. But Mr. D found a great new job, and was no longer self-employed, AND his job had great insurance, so we didn’t. In fact, his insurance is much, much better so I will be switching to his after we are married!

 
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rebecca

uh oh…I’ve seen HOT debates on this on the boards. From what I’ve seen 99% of the people are TOTALLY against a “pre-wedding” with the guest not being informed that you were previously married. I think as long as you were honest though, and your guests knew you weren’t actually getting married for real right then, it would be okay.

But that’s not what you decided which is good. I think this will make the day much more special, although I completely understand your reasons, I think waiting for the real deal is a much better idea that you’ll appreciate in the long run.

 
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Victoria

I have the exact same situation. We ended up going ahead and doing it because I had to have surgery and no insurance = very broke. While I had all of the same reservations, I knew we had to do it. We have been “married” 10 months now and our wedding is May 19th. Our parents and siblings attended the ceremony, but nobody else (friends nor family) are aware of our “situation”. While it has been difficult keeping it quiet, the rest of the reservations I had are gone. We don’t call each other husband and wife yet, so it just doesn’t feel real. We even scheduled it on a day when we would both have to return to work the next day, in an attempt to make it feel “less” real. It’s such a hard situation to be in and I can completely sympathize with all of your reasons not to go forward with it. I am glad you were able to find insurance, it is such a difficult thing to do.

 
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iammcdibble (message)  19 posts, Newbee

I have the same concerns. I will be leaving my job and moving due to the fiancé’s job offer about a year before we’re scheduled to be married. Honestly, I don’t know how we’ll be able to afford insurance without knowing how long I may be out of work. We haven’t talked much about it yet… But I know we’ll have to soon. I’ve known other people who have done it, and honestly, I think it makes a lot of sense. I guess you just have to what’s right for you.

 
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Nrp0704 (message)  65 posts, Worker bee

Ouch! We considered becoming domestic partners in order to benefit eachother through our insurances. We haven’t done it though, because it was to get each of us double covered and it didnt really seem necessary. If he was unemployed or didnt have benefits (or vice versa), I would be %100 for completing the partnership. That isn’t the same thing as a legal marriage though. It’s a lot less binding and there is no ceremony involved, but it would qualify us for insurance coverage. Is CA law different than WA?

 
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Mrs. Funnel Cake (message)  690 posts, Busy bee

Haha, um… yeah we thought about it and it just made sense to get married legally first. I was facing deportation and we really didn’t want me to have to relocate and find a new job in America and go LDR…. so we just got married earlier than we would have otherwise!

I think it’s sort of stinky when you think about getting married for health insurance/visa/residence reasons/something other than love. We would have loved to just do it on our own time, but unfortunately you don’t always have the opportunity to do that. Such is life!

And though we did it early, I was still super happy when we finally did our religious wedding with the family and finally started referring to each other as husband and wife!

 
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Miss Turkey (message)  300 posts, Helper bee

Glad you were able to find insurance and work through a very tough situation! And Mr. Mole’s injuries - ouch!!!

Personally, I’ve been a guest at a wedding where they were already legally married. There were extenuating circumstances that required it and I think it made the most sense for them. I was happy to be there and celebrate their marriage - didn’t necessarily matter when the papers were signed (focus group of one here).

 
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futureMFG (message)  150 posts, Blushing bee

When my parents got married, they got married in June before their October wedding! My mom worked for Braniff (non-existant, now) Airlines, and could fly anywhere for free. She and my dad were having the wedding in her hometown, and he could fly free if he was her spouse… so they got married!

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@Tuna: A lot of my friends have done the same thing for immigration purposes: a courthouse wedding with a celebration afterward. One of Mr. Mole’s friends who had a Canadan fiance even went to Vegas! Glad you had such a lovely pair of weddings. :)
@brittaful: It’s true that these kinds of issues raise a lot of issues and questions, for sure.
@Miss Doily: I feel like this process gave me a huge wake-up call as to the problems with insurance and health care in this country. I don’t feel like I have a sense of how to solve these problems, however. I wish it were an easy fix!

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@rebecca: It’s true that this topic raises a lot of debate; sometimes the most interesting issues do! I am glad with our decision to wait, although I fully understand the reasoning of people who do (or can) not!
@Victoria: I’m glad that things worked out for you! It’s interesting that there can be such a break from the paperwork that makes the marriage legal and the ceremony that makes the marriage “actual.”
@iammcdibble: If we weren’t getting married less than 6 months from when I lost my employer coverage, I think we would have had to make a different decision. Or we would have had to suck it up and pay for COBRA (which was hugely expensive).
@Nrp0704: In California, you have to either be part of a same-sex couple or have one partner in the couple be 62 or over. Kind of sets up a “separate but not really equal” category for same-sex couples in the state. That’s why the lack of paperwork is such a bummer. Mr. Mole’s co-worker and her partner just filed as domestic partners, and I know they were disappointed in the lack of ceremony that doing so involves. They didn’t even have to go to a person in a courthouse to change their status! They just filled out a slip of paper and mailed it in.

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@Mrs. Funnel Cake: It is kind of stinky that love can’t be the primary motivator for _when_ or _how_ people get married, but hopefully it’s the primary impetus for the original idea to get married! You had a lovely ceremony, and I’m sure your legal ceremony was equally nice. :)
@Miss Turkey: Mr. Mole now has trouble trying to convince me to ride my bike on the road. I’ll stick to the bike paths, thanks! I think it’s so interesting how divided guests can be on this issue of couples marrying before the wedding; it’s good to hear people from all sides!
@futureMFG: That’s a good story! Again, it seems like people want to get married but extenuating circumstances, often related to finances, dictate when or how.

 
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kmclevel (message)  35 posts, Newbee

My cobra runs to in February and we have talked about doing this exact thing. My mom was the one who suggested it, which really shocked me. She also suggested that if we didn’t want to tell anyone it would be ok with her and if we wanted our parents to come it would be ok too.
I definitely have wrestled with the “real” wedding feelings and whether to keep it private between FH or share with our parents. I’ve even thought of having it photographed and do our engagement photos afterwards, But then that would make it feel like a big deal, and I just can’t decide…

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@kmclevel: That is a tough decision! Ultimately, you need to do what’s right for you and your FI, regardless of what other people might think. I think it would be pretty sweet to photograph your civil ceremony and then do pictures afterwards. It might not be as big of a deal to you as your “actual” wedding, but it’s still an important day!

 
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Mrs. Moonbeam (message)  1,732 posts, Bumble bee

This is the exact reason we had two weddings. Legal on the beach in CA, family in the church in TX. Healthcare in the US = ridiculous!

 
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Future Army Wife (message)  1,110 posts, Bumble bee

We’re most likely getting legally married before the wedding. He’s military, so I wouldn’t have to pay my own insurance. It would just be easier for us. And I know some other folks who’ve done it. They’ve said that it actually makes the wedding day more relaxed.

 
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caybaybay (message)  76 posts, Worker bee

I just had an aha! moment.
Thankfully being Canadian, health insurance isn’t a big deal as we’re covered for the necessities, but we still need insurance to cover prescriptions and dental. I have insurance through my university’s student union, but I graduate this year so unless I get a permanent job right after, I’ll be insurance-less by September 2012. I had worried this might force me to take a permanent but not desirable job just to have benefits, but reading this I just realized I can get under my FI’s insurance as he’ll still be a student for a few years. Hopefully when he graduates I’ll have a satisfying permanent job so he can come under my insurance.

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@Mrs. Moonbeam: A legal wedding on the beach sounds nice! I would have preferred that to a non-descript courthouse.

 
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Miss Mole (message)  988 posts, Busy bee

@Future Army Wife: The way that the military deals with a lot of things means that courthouse weddings make the most sense (insurance, housing, deployment, tours, etc). I’m curious, though: why do to think a legal wedding would make the big wedding more relaxing? It’s something I never thought about, and I’d love to hear your thoughts.
@caybaybay: I definitely agree that it would be preferable to not have to think about marriage as a means of health insurance, but it is somewhat comforting that we can always push our date up a bit in the legal sense of things. Good luck on the job search!

 
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Mrs. Mole, Los Angeles/Las Vegas Age and Occupation: 29, Test Prep Instructor Fiance's Age and Occupation: 31, User Experience Architect Engagement Date: April 2011 Wedding Date: January 2012 Venue: Wynn Las Vegas/Bouchon Bistro About Me: I’m a Wisconsinite-turned-Angeleno who is planning a destination wedding in Las Vegas. I am passionate about education: I spent 23 (!) consecutive years in school, and now I work to help other people get into graduate programs. I love running on the treadmill, buying bath products from Lush, learning new moves in step aerobics, and exploring my neighborhood on foot. I am sometimes snobby about food, but I am rarely snobby about books. I read everything from Geoffrey Chaucer to Iris Murdoch to Chuck Klosterman to Candace Bushnell. My fiance and I are getting married on our third anniversary!

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