Vendors: The Venus Fly Trap Effect

I want to discuss something Mr. Waterfall and I have encountered on a few occasions while planning. I like to call it The Venus Flytrap Effect.

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Scenario #1, wedding dress shopping: I am going through the racks with a consultant after having stated my budget and she pulls a Paloma Blanca gown for me to try on.

Me: How much is this dress? I’m fairly sure it’s way over budget…

Venus Flytrap Consultant: Oh, don’t worry about that right now! First, try it on; then we can talk about the price if you love it.

Ha! Yeah right! Any bride in her right mind who has ever seen an episode of Say Yes to the Dress knows that you never EVER try on a gown outside your budget. The most likely outcome is you will fall in love with a dress you clearly can’t afford and every subsequent dress you try on will look like poop in comparison.

It seems like some vendors want to trick you into falling in love with their product, even when it’s way outside your budget. You search their website and there is no mention of prices. You email them to ask for their prices, and they reply vaguely that they need to know more about your event first, that they tailor their services to each client, yadda-yadda. You answer all their questions but they play hide-the-quote until they have managed to convince you to arrange a meeting face-to-face. They dazzle you with all the different customization options and add-ons. Then, when they think you’re hooked, they go in for the kill; they smile their best used car salesman smile and slide a piece of paper across the table like a scene from The Godfather and stare at you while you take in the information and try not to cry. BAM. All of a sudden, you’re trapped. The whole thing is like a bad time-share presentation. See where I’m going with the whole Venus Flytrap thing? It’s kind of like The Parent Trap, but a lot less cute and a lot more awkward.

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Anyway…I know I sound very angry, and that’s because I am. I’ve unfortunately gotten caught in this situation more than once in our planning. It’s actually become a bit of a running joke: If Miss Waterfall likes it, it must be the most expensive option around.

This happened to us while hunting for a photographer. I stumbled across P’s website and was instantly smitten with their photos; each one looked like a work of art. I forced myself to close my browser while I waited for their quote—no use falling in love if we can’t afford them. I was thrilled when a few minutes later I received an email stating at their prices started at x, the higher end of our budget, but still within it. I set up a meeting for the next night, and we drove to their studio. We sat there for an hour looking at glossy albums, watching amazing slideshow after amazing slideshow. It was all I could do not to drool all over my dress. I had entirely forgotten about the small matter of money until P casually got up and handed us a price sheet. I almost fainted. It would have cost around $10,000 for the entire package. Hive, I cried tears of rage the entire drive home. I mean, what a colossal waste of everybody’s time! I don’t even understand how that makes any sense from a business standpoint. I mean, they have to be aware that they’re definitely not “affordable,” right? Why not let potential clients know your prices right up front? Especially after they’ve specifically enquired? After I got home, I emailed my contact asking about the astronomical difference in price, and they answered that the starting price was for booking the junior assistant. I am not even joking.

The same thing happened again with a videographer. They used words like “up-and-coming” on their website, so I figured they would have up-and-coming prices to match. After several failed email attempts at asking them for a quote, we agreed to meet them on a Friday night. Hive, we got fooled twice. We sat through an hour and a half meeting with V, looking at their amazing wedding trailers, discussing our vision, and apparently wasting everybody’s time once again. We walked away with nothing but a quote for five grand and a whole lot of disappointment.

I don’t understand how this keeps happening to us. Mr. W says that I am no longer allowed to set up meetings with any vendors unless they have given us an estimate first.

Have you been in a similar situation? Please, tell me I’m not alone!

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Mrs. Waterfall

Location:
Montreal
Wedding Date:
June 2013
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    kit_kath 1331 posts, Bumble bee @ 8:43 am

    I hate when vendors do that, it’s such a bad way to get sales. If a vendor is up front and honest about their prices it makes me so much more comfortable, and if I trust them I’m more likely to pay extra for something I want. Trying to trick you into paying more is a great way to not get my business.

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    lemiller 318 posts, Helper bee @ 8:44 am

    I cannot even begin to count how many vendors I have emailed for price quotes. Their websites say “packages starting at [price totally within your budget, so even if it's a little more, you're still ok].” This works until you ask them about specific price points for each package. Then they either A. waffle on giving specifics or B. pull the venus fly trap effect.

    To quote my mother, speaking to me earlier in the week, “L, you seem to have champagne taste on a beer budget.” Miss Waterfall, you are not alone!

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    MrsFutureG 1696 posts, Bumble bee @ 8:51 am

    That sucks, I’m sorry. For us, if they wouldn’t be upfront with my answers, I would thank them and move on, no matter HOW much I loved the stuff. Not giving me the price (when everyone knows that is a major determining factor) is shady and I will not work with someone like that!

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    krispi 768 posts, Busy bee @ 9:00 am

    As a general rule, if a vendor does not have a clear price list on their website, I do not contact them.

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    kristen182 432 posts, Helper bee @ 9:03 am

    that sucks! but my rule has simply always been that i won’t book an appointment until they have the decency to give me price estimates! i’ve avoided a lot of awkward and time-consuming encounters this way. just stop booking the meetings and insist on the quote!!! lol

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    jetsetter 535 posts, Busy bee @ 9:06 am

    That is so annoying! It’s one thing to leave out prices to allow for customers to inquire and start a dialogue, but it’s another to mislead! Bummer!!

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    beerod527 592 posts, Busy bee @ 9:08 am

    It happened to us but luckily did not fall into the trap, esp. with photography. If you don’t tell us how much within the first contact or post it online, we’ll cross you off.

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    dcgirl655 113 posts, Blushing bee @ 9:20 am

    I hated that about dress shopping. Such a bad sales tactic, because it really just makes people mad. Most people can’t just pull an extra couple thousand dollars out of the air.. it’s not like wedding dresses cost chump change!

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    Meredith, Guest @ 9:27 am

    Yes to this!!! That happened with our DJ, of all things. We knew we didn’t want a band, and solicited quotes from a handful of vendors. One vendor, who we had used for parties when I was in college gave us the old “We need to meet you, we tailor our services” line. They were the only ones who didn’t just send us a price sheet. So, my husband and I left work early, fought rain and traffic and met with their representative. After speaking with him he seemed to really “get” what we needed– to play our selections, to take requests possibly, and to move the party along for a 4 hour reception. After 45 minutes, he slid a sheet across the table to us that was their standard, pre-printed sheet. $1600 AMERICAN DOLLARS. For FOUR HOURS. No uplighting, nothing but DJ services. I *know* they don’t charge that much normally, because we did NOT pay them that much for sorority mixers and our Homecoming parties. What a waste of time!

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    dancindavinci 693 posts, Busy bee @ 9:37 am

    This happens to me every. single. day!!! Thank you for this post! Vendors need to know they are much more likely to get clients if they are upfront about their prices. I get that you’re amazing and what not, but an in person conversation with you is not going to convince me to sell my house in order to afford you! I just want to know if you’re even in my ballpark! I’m planning a wedding 4 hours away so it’s not like I can just swing by during my lunch hour. Augh, vendors I will not miss your drama after the wedding.

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    Almost Mrs.P 2056 posts, Buzzing bee @ 9:41 am

    Ugh, that is so frustrating. I refuse to have meetings without a quote (preferably including what exactly it entails). I just ask annoying questions and I’m sure some of the vendors hate it, but at least it saves everyone time and frustration.

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    blonde17jess 1290 posts, Bumble bee @ 9:43 am

    As bad as it may be, I quickly decided that I won’t consider a vendor who doesn’t treat me exactly how I want them to treat me. If I send an email and get a phone call in response, rather than an email, they’re done. I will not waste my time on the phone discussing options with you if you’re not going to respond appropriately to my inquiries by the method I CHOOSE, because I’m the boss here.

    Sure, being so tough (crazy) means I’m certainly missing out on some otherwise good contenders. But I refuse to cause myself undue stress and anxiety with vendors who want to play games.

    They really do play some seriously messed up games and have really questionable business practices in the wedding biz. I’m glad we’re almost done booking vendors and won’t have to deal with much more of the nonsense!

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    blonde17jess 1290 posts, Bumble bee @ 9:45 am

    *I should note that what I mean by “discussing options” and “my inquiries” is that I won’t talk about all of the packages if I ask you for a price list and you tell me that you tailor everything to the client so you don’t have a price list. Get out of here, you have a price list, give me a freaking range for your services.

    I’m clearly very angry too, Miss Waterfall; you are not alone!

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    chelle-lee 235 posts, Helper bee @ 10:42 am

    I think about vendors the same way I do resturaunts. Some resturaunts don’t put prices on their menu. This resturaunt is for people who have enough money, the price of their plate is not relivant. If you can’t eat that way, you can’t shop that way. It always makes me think of Pretty Woman when she’s shopping snd asks for the price of the dress. (one of my favorite movies!) Anyway, if they don’t list the price, I know I can’t afford it.

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    Jen041815 584 posts, Busy bee @ 10:43 am

    I agree. If I can give you 4-5 specific details (i.e., Saturday night, number of hours, types of basic things I want and don’t want, etc) then you should be able to give me a price range for what I’m looking for. THEN, and only then, can we meet to discuss the exact package and exact amount. Otherwise, I’m moving on. There are too many possible vendors out there and too much to do to waste this kind of time.

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    bluebelle23 854 posts, Busy bee @ 10:43 am

    I fell in love with a videographer that one of my favorite blogger Bees used. I asked for a quote and was quoted $1500 more than what I found out he charged her! (She broke it down in her budget recaps) WHAT THE WHAT!?!
    I should’ve called him on it, but I was honestly offended. I felt like he used the fact that I’d seen his work and loved it to jack up the price. ugh…

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    chelle-lee 235 posts, Helper bee @ 10:46 am

    Not saying what the vendors are doing is justifiable by any means. I agree that they are waisting everyone’s time and hurting feelings when they do that.

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    cosmo_gmr 946 posts, Busy bee @ 11:22 am

    Bummer! I hate it when they do that!
    I hope you get better luck :)

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    domesticdiva 1843 posts, Buzzing bee @ 11:27 am

    Hate it! I’m experiencing Scenario 1 right now: “I’d like to stay around $800 for my gown, but I’d go as high as $1000 if it’s absolutely perfect” is what I told the consultant. Then she puts me in a $1250 dress! C’mon…

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    suburbian 1631 posts, Bumble bee @ 11:29 am

    I cannot say it enough – I HATE THE INDUSTRY.

    I hate evrything about it. I hate the costs, I hate the ‘hide-the-quote’ games, I hate the ‘keeping up wioth the Jones’s’ mentality. It all makes me sick.

    How come I can BUY a table linen for a DOLLAR more then it costs to rent it?!?! WHY does it costs 8-15 bucks to rent a Chiavari chair? Because its ‘all the rage’ this season? (A vendor told me this) – Basically he told me that the industry is scraping pockets.

    Gross.

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    jpalm13 2900 posts, Sugar bee @ 11:43 am

    We had a photographer try to slide his 8 hr time limit past us after we went to sign the contract. He had told us he’d be there as long as we wanted, originally. Then he wouldn’t negotiate the hours. We decided to go with someone else.

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    craft darling, Guest @ 11:45 am

    I totally understand your frustration! I spent hours and hours online searching before my mother (wisely) suggested we ask our reception venue for a preferred vendor sheet. It made everything so much easier! I instantly had a list of reputable vendors that knew the location. As an added bonus, we were able to negotiate a few extra perks for free because they loved working our venue and received so much business from them!

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    craft darling 84 posts, Worker bee @ 11:47 am

    I totally understand your frustration! I spent hours and hours online searching before my mother (wisely) suggested we ask our reception venue for a preferred vendor sheet. It made everything so much easier! I instantly had a list of reputable vendors that knew the location. As an added bonus, we were able to negotiate a few extra perks for free because they loved working our venue and received so much business from them

    Read more: http://www.weddingbee.com/2013/06/20/getting-quotes-from-wedding-vendors/#ixzz2WmeNOvsh

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    Lynn, Guest @ 12:07 pm

    If they wouldn’t supply me quotes over the phone or email i didn’t meet with them, FI works shift work and we have kids and lives we don’t have time to meet every potential vendor.

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    CPearson1016 117 posts, Blushing bee @ 12:15 pm

    @DomesticDiva: And they forget to remind you of the alterations and the bustle!! That can add hundreds of dollars to the price of the dress! My dress was $200 over budget (well worth it to me at the time), but with the hem and the bustle I ended up at almost $500 over!

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    mspony 9265 posts, Buzzing Beekeeper @ 1:26 pm

    I hated this while planning! If I’m straightforward and upfront about what I want, the vendor should be as well with their prices. If they weren’t, I went elsewhere, nobody got time for those games.

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    ms_purple 2635 posts, Sugar bee @ 1:34 pm

    This is part of the reason I have chosen certain vendors! They were upfront with me! Told me what everything cost right away and were willing to stick to my budget – sold! I still have a long ways to go – dress shopping this weekend. So we’ll see but I am being cautious. Another issues for me however is that my parents who have generously offered to help pay (so grateful to them of course!) never really give me a budget! LOL. It’s like well “around this but you know if it would make it special will pay for it..” I love them for that but I don’t want to spend too much money even if I am not paying for all of it. So I have mostly given myself self imposed limits for everything, so far it’s working out well on our end.

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    MrsCasanova 169 posts, Blushing bee @ 2:54 pm

    Im really sorry that happened to you. I always ask if they need to see the pricing (its listed on my site that’s why I ask If they haven’t already) because its happened before. They don’t see it and forget to ask. I learned my lesson and now I always ask just in case. I hate setting up meetings with out them knowing the price. I feel like its just a waste of both parties time and someone always leaves sad. Sometimes its even me lol. :/

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    got2bdrea 35 posts, Newbee @ 9:34 pm

    I just don’t understand the thought process of vendors! Stop trying to suck up all my money! Just post your prices. I’m with you.

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    Joel Rabe, Guest @ 8:14 pm

    Hello – I have to say FIRST you are an excellent writer! SECOND, I am a Wedding Vendor, (in Atlanta). I am sorry to hear about the crazy waste of time you have been dealing with. There are good and there are bad vendors in our industry. Many times pricing is dependent on when your date is. Clearly Saturdays will be more then Friday, but did you know May can be more then June? Or October more then July, August or September? This is because more people tend to choose May & October so the demand increases the pricing. A professional photographer or videographer should be able to quote you a price range and have a specific reason as to why there is a range PRIOR to meeting you. If they can not give you a quote on the phone, keep looking! ALWAYS ask for references when it comes to both of these services. I have seen photographers take a YEAR to give a bride her photos. The biggest mistake Brides make is not checking references for wedding services. If you would like other ideas (like create a SEPARATE email address that you use for Bridal Shows, Vendors, etc., so you don’t give overwhelmed!!) feel free to reach out! Congratulations on your announcement!

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    lovelove1028 1108 posts, Bumble bee @ 4:50 am

    I actually refused to meet with any vendors whatsoever until I knew their prices… specifically for the lowest option we were willing to go for. For example, for photography we’d have loved two photographers, but were willing to stick with just one (we’ll only have 80 or so guests so 2 was kind of overkill), but we DEFINITELY wanted the full day (NO compromising on time!) so we made sure we asked them for quotes for exactly that… THEN set up appointments. It’s the only way to avoid extreme disappointment. :(

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    LadyJenks 53 posts, Worker bee @ 12:56 am

    Holy rage! Now I’m a bit worried about what I’m getting into. :-/ So glad for the warning, and all the other bees’ stories! @craft darling, you have totally changed my opinion of preferred vendor lists!

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    Joel Rabe, Guest @ 10:21 am

    WOW.. after reading these posts i def feel the need to respond. First, “The Venus Flytrap” very well written. I also am adding a few suggestions for Brides…

    I am an International DJ & the CEO of Lethal Rhythms (professional DJ Services). While I am based in Atlanta, I am fortunate enough to travel all over the United States, and Mexico. I only put that out there to establish some credibility. My “Style” was featured by Carley Roney, Knot Founder in her “trends for 2012″

    So first tip: create an email address separate from your regular work email. “putaringonit@gmail” etc. you won’t get overloaded.

    The underlying theme of discontent from the brides in this post is correct: If you can not get a PRICE RANGE and what that entails when speaking on the phone to a vendor, you are better off to move along. However, Most brides will call and say “how much are your services? as the first question”. If a DJ (or other vendor) answers immediately before asking anything about your needs, expect pricing to change at the meeting. When a vendor says “it varies” or “between” or otherwise indicates a range, it is always wise to be proactive and clarify why there is a range.

    Honestly, pricing cannot be determined until the DJ (or other vendor) knows a little bit about your needs (see below). I think this is the NUMBER ONE reason why there is pricing disconnect.

    Starting from the very first phone conversation or email request, we at Lethal Rhythms DO send out our pricing sheet. The sheet has more detail and allows you to make the right choice for your budget and still match your vision.

    Our price points are kept simple. They are based on whom you choose from our team. Determining which DJ is the best fit and will deliver the best value is our main priority.

    Each DJ package we offer is SIX hours. However, 4 hours is typical…Because the facility or venue where you are having your wedding charges in 4 hour blocks. (NOTE: if your facility is doing a longer then 4 hour block, try to negotiate that price with the DJ).

    We DO NOT list our pricing on our website for two reasons:

    1) Competition. (in a bad way). Our company handles approx. 350 events per year. We are well known in the market. What this means is a new guy (competitor DJ) will show up on the scene, copy our package descriptions (a simple email request for info) then simply list a lower price point. Brides usually book us a year out. We have had to go back and RESCUE brides who booked another imitation DJ, but then double booked, or just disappeared. It is VERY easy for wedding vendors to post fake reviews, fake accomplishments, fake photos.

    2) The second reason is YOUR STYLE. There are more wedding options and styles that a professional wedding vendor has to provide services for then ever before. Sometimes we do multiple set ups, are we providing a microphone for multiple readers? (the preacher is a given of course). Cocktail hour: Is this in a separate area then the reception? Do we need to do a second set up there?, Are you looking for Up Lighting? etc. MOST IMPORTANTLY: what is your style? are you looking for a straight up dance party, or is this more formal? Is this multi-cultural? etc.

    These questions help us to understand which DJs are going to deliver the best service.

    It is true, there are vendors who claim to be on many “preferred vendor lists” and some facilities simply charge a fee to be a member. We do not play that game. Although I do not do fraternity parties, anniversary parties, etc (we are 90% weddings) I can say that if a company charges one fee for a wedding and a (cheaper) fee for a fraternity party (as listed above) it totally makes sense. A wedding requires a lot more planning and effort, more time is invested in the success.

    So, my point is if you can’t get pricing BEFORE you meet, simply move on. If the DJ (or other vendor) can’t return calls or email that same day or within 24 hours, move on. If the DJ (or other vendor) is not full time, does not have insurance or can’t get you a list of references (esp after telling you he/she has DJ’d at your facility “many times”) move on. Most importantly, read the fine print. When you first start getting your auto reply, or your first call. What is the vendor doing? Telling you how great they are, or Asking you questions about you? That should tell you right away which direction the vendor’s mindset is headed.

    I hope that this makes your wedding experience better!

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    hellosteinberg 69 posts, Worker bee @ 11:48 am

    Ah wedding price gouging…my tips. If you don’t have to let a vendor know that they’re actually doing a wedding, then don’t.

    Our cake vendor didn’t know. We went with a very simple cake and a sheet cake for serving. We told them it was a cake for a party and it needed to feed X amount of people.

    Our caterer knew, because she was a friend, but the strangers who quoted me prices before her certainly didn’t.

    The rental company didn’t know and they also were willing to match the price of another vendor who offered Chivari chairs at $3 less than what they charged.

    Call it a party, a family reunion, an anniversary, a birthday, whatever, you will get lower prices than if you call it a wedding. If they call you on it afterward, tell them you decided to combine your wedding with the party, since the party was already happening. :)

    Dresses – some places mark their gowns up 5X over the designers recommended price, some charge exactly what the designer recommends, and some mark them up only twice or so.

    You can always find someone selling at the recommended price, or even lower if they’re doing a promotion, it just takes some digging.

    If they won’t tell you the style name of the gown, at least try to get the designer name. If they won’t let you take pictures, try to surreptitiously get some pics of the dress. Go home and start googling. It’s not hard to figure out the designer and style of the dress.

    Once you have the designer and style, start calling the vendors listed on the designer website and asking the price. Choose stores in smaller towns and less well-to-do parts of the country, they’re more likely to give you honest answers and have lower prices. Once you find someone on the phone that you like and who gives you a good price, order the gown from them, just give them your measurements.

    Shipping costs are usually less than what you would pay in state sales tax, which is what you will save if you order from out-of-state. :)

    I found an amazing gown at a salon in LA for $1700, went home and googled it, got a salon in Texas to let me know it should actually cost $1125, started contacting salons in poorer parts of the country, and bought it, brand new, for $850 from a retailer in a very broke city who was just happy to get the business.

    FYI based on what I know about retail and pricing, the fact that the designer’s suggested retail is $1125 and the store I got it from let it go at $850, that gown probably wholesales for around $425, so the original store has marked it up 4X.

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    Babsbabs, Guest @ 5:30 pm

    I have to COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the previous poster – what sort of a person are you if you out-and-out LIE to others in order to get the ‘best price’? Do you really want to start one of the most important parts of your adult life on a solid foundation of deceiving others?

    For sure, if someone doesn’t ‘need to know’ that your big event is a wedding, that’s one (totally fine) thing. Your wedding is an ‘event’ and you can refer to it as such. ‘Hi, I’m looking to rent chairs for an event which will be held —.’ To the point, no lies. On the bright side, it cuts out all preconceived notions of what that person thinks ‘a wedding’ ought to be, and you can describe exactly what you want.

    On the other hand, if you say “oh, it’s a birthday party!” Or “a family reunion!” And it really is a wedding? First off, it is totally obvious if your vendor is on site ever at any point during the day. Second off, it is disrespectful of them, their intelligence, and their desire to be there; you’re basically saying ‘I didn’t trust you to not take advantage of me.’ So not cool. Worst case scenario for you, if the vendor has it written down in a contract that this is one type of an event and it’s something completely different – they can actually just take all their stuff and go home/kick you out of the venue.

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    mswaterfall 1403 posts, Bumble bee @ 12:07 am

    @Kit_Kath: Exactly!
    @lemiller: Glad I’m not alone :)
    @MrsFutureG: @kristen182: I should have had your attitude while planning! It would save me so much heartache!
    @Krispi: Most vendors I contacted didn’t post a price list for various reasons, but did get back to me with a price list or a quote after our initial contact.
    @Miss Jet Setter: That’s how I felt, why would you try to start off a business relationship by being deceitful? And these are top of the industry vendors, too! INSANE.

    @dcgirl655: @Meredith: @dancindavinci: So glad you guys are with me!
    @Almost Mrs.P: @Blonde17Jess: These sound like good strategies!
    @Chelle-Lee: That’s funny, Mr. W made the same analogy.
    @Jen041815: Yup. At least give a price range or something.
    @bluebelle23: A few factors could have made the difference, like the date (ex: they might charge more for June than January) also, depending on how old the Bee was, prices tend to go up each year, or perhaps they were just starting out back then? Either way, bummer :(
    @cosmo_gmr: It all worked out in the end :)
    @DomesticDiva: ugh, dress consultants were the worst for that. I don’t know if it’s the comission or what but man… if I say 1000$, that doesn’t mean 1500$ especially when you factor in taxes and alterations…
    @suburbian: I know, I often felt so inadequate despite spending thousands of dollars, it somehow never seemed like it was enough :(

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    mswaterfall 1403 posts, Bumble bee @ 12:25 am

    @jpalm13: That’s why contracts are so important!
    @craft darling: @craft darling: I asked for the preferred vendor list early on and it was very helpful, the only problem was our venue was extremely high end so all the vendors on the list were very pricey. Glad it saved you time though :)

    @Lynn: @lovelove1028: I should have done that…
    @CPearson1016: I know! I only had one consultant who included the alterations in her pricing.
    @Mrs. Pony: I agree, what kind of a relationship do you hope to have if you’re going into it playing games and such?
    @Ms_Purple: I went through the same thing, I felt even more pressured since I wasn’t spending my own money.
    @MrsCasanova: Good for you!
    @Got2bDrea: High five!
    @Joel Rabe: Thank you for your tips and for the compliment, this was what I thought also. If I give you all the information you need (date, size of event, etc etc) you should be able to give me at least an estimate or a ball park. Thankfully these vendors don’t seem to be the norm.
    @LadyJenks: I hope you can avoid these situations!
    @hellosteinberg: Thanks for the tip, I’m glad it worked out for you.
    I’ve been heard this before, but I personally couldn’t do it, I feel like if I expect honesty from my vendors then I need to treat them with respect and honesty in return. How would they feel to show up and see that it’s clearly a wedding?
    @Babsbabs: I would definitely feel bad tricking a vendor, especially when I expect respect and honesty in return. As a guideline, I try to treat others as I would like to be treated :)

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